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Showing posts with label EMS. Show all posts
Showing posts with label EMS. Show all posts

Tuesday, January 6, 2026

HOW TO AVOID PROBLEMS WITH A BAD CAMPSITE POWER OUTLET

 

 This article applies to any Roadtrek, motorhome, RV, or Travel Trailer. All plug into a campground power box pretty much the same way, 

You get to a campground and are going to plug into the 30 amp outlet in the power box at the camp sit. What if that outlet does not work and you wait to later to plug in and then find this out. I do the following to avoid any problems before it is too late the get the campground to do something about this or move you to another site.  

I carry a plug in polarity tester (inexpensive sold in Home Depot, Lowes, etc. I also have a 30 amp plug to 15/20 amp adapter. And I have a 110/120 volt AC plug in meter. The meter was hard to find and what I found was expensive, so I bought a "KILL-A-WATT" meter (brand name) in Home Depot which is less expensive and  it  has a setting to just check voltage. 

After we check in at a campground we go to the site with the Roadtrek and I test the 30 amp outlet. The polarity tester plug goes into the 15/20 amp socket on the adapter and the 30 amp end is plugged into the 30 amp socket --- I never plug in with the breaker above the 30 amp outlet in the campsite box ON, that is a lot of current to get a shock from --- once plugged in I flip the breaker to on and the polarity tester lights up to show that the outlet is working correctly or not. Polarity problems are common in campgrounds. 

With the polarity OK. The breaker switch goes off, I set the Kill-A-Watt meter to read voltage and unplug the polarity tester and plug the Kill-A-Watt meter into the 15/20 amp side of the adapter still plugged into the 30 amp outlet. I flip the breaker on and read the voltage. I look to see that the voltage is correct and within the correct range. 

Any problems and I would go right back to the office, tell them there is a problem with the 30 amp outlet in the site and they either go right now and fix it or put us in a different site. Just in case I also have a 50 amp plug to 30 amp adapter - and if the 50 amp outlet in the box works - then I can plug the Roadtrek into it with the adapter - a 50 amp adapter has no connections to the additional lugs on the 50 amp plug and only puts 30 amps into the Roadtrek. 

I will say that we have only once in all the years found a campsite with a bad outlet and when we went to the office they apologized and moved us to a different campsite that was just as well located as the first.   

Usually we get into a campsite too early to waste the rest of the day in the camp site and we then head out to do some exploring in the Roadtrek and when we get back later I plug in the Roadtrek with our EMS unit -I never plug the Roadtrek in without the protection of the EMS unit that we have.

This article will tell you all about EMS units.  If I was buying a new EMS unit today I would buy the Progressive Industries 30 amp portable unit. This is why -  the Surge Guard works very well - never had a problem with it BUT if there was an actual SURGE - not an out of range voltage but a lightening type of surge - the surge board inside the Surge Guard would be destroyed - as are most such boards in just surge protector units. So you throw the whole thing away and have to buy a new one. The Progressive Industries EMS unit has a replaceable Surge board inside. You can buy as spare and if there was a surge all you have to do is open the screws that hold the case together - pull out the burned out board - and push the new board into place - close the case and you are already to plug in again.

https://roadtrek190popular.blogspot.com/2016/09/an-ems-unit-for-your-rv.html

 

 

Wednesday, September 28, 2016

An EMS Unit For Your RV

Very often on various RV discussion groups and forums someone will ask what "surge protector" should they buy for their RV.  When I see this question I have an answer all ready for them and that answer is "You do NOT want just a surge protector for your RV, you WANT an EMS unit got your RV." So what is an EMS unit?

An EMS unit is an Electrical Management System. What this does as both act as a surge spike protector but more importantly it also will shut down all AC power going through the unit and into the power cord for your RV when it senses that the voltage coming in is either too high or too low. Why is this important? AC 110/120 volt power needs to flow in a certain range of voltage with a minimum and a maximum not to do harm to an electrical system and electronics connected to it. The damage that can be done when power flows out of that range can cost a great deal to repair. This unit will shut down voltage below 104 volts and above 132 volts. This may seem like an unlikely situation to occur but at campgrounds it can be quite common. At a crowded campground with a lot of RVs pulling off the power lines of the campgrounds I have seen voltage go below 110 volts. And on the other end, at campgrounds where there are few RVs at the campground which means few RVs pulling off power at the same time, the voltage is up near 130 volts. It does not take much change to put that voltage above or below the limits.

With one of these units you also get surge spike protection so should there be a sudden spike or surge or a lightening strike to the power lines the EMS unit will clamp down and cut off that surge or strike and not allow any damage to your electronics.

Both of these functions work differently. If a spike or surge comes through, the circuit physically breaks - in fact - like any surge protector that you might use at home, the unit will become dysfunctional in all ways should it need to clamp down on a spike of surge. If that happens what you need to do next depends on which company's EMS unit you own - and I will go into that later. If there is a voltage variation high or low, the unit will shut off power only temporarily until the voltage returns to within the proper range. The unit is still fully functional and it will turn the power back on when it is safe.

These units also test the polarity of the outlet you are plugging into and will not turn on if the polarity is incorrect. This means that the campground box outlet has been wired incorrectly or a wire has come loose or is off. This has to do with the outlet being properly grounded. This is also a very important thing to be certain of when plugging into any campground. If the unit shows the polarity to be wrong, you then need to go to the campground office and tell them and you will either need to be moved to another site with a correctly working outlet or campground maintenance will need to come and repair their outlet so that it is safe for you to plug into.

These units are not inexpensive. They sell for between $250 and $350 for a 30 amp unit and more for a 50 amp unit. They also come in versions that are portable - you plug the unit into the campground box and then your RV power cable into the unit OR that are hardwired. You have the unit installed into your RV's power connection which generally means cutting your power cable inside the RV and wiring the EMS unit between the power connection and your power cord. Both work exactly the same and offer the same protection. There are two main companies that manufacture these units - a company named "Surge Guard" and a company named "Progressive Industries". It is important to know that these companies also make just surge units that sell for much less - around $100 but even though these are made for RVs you are wasting your money if you don't buy the EMS model. The added protection that it provides is worth the money you will have to pay for it. You must think of this as paying for insurance. If you never need to make a claim it was there to protect you anyway - but when you need to make a claim on your insurance it pays you back - just like the protection an EMS unit gives if or when it goes to work and does its job.

The two companies units provide the same protection and do it equally well. There is one difference between the two companies that did not exist when I bought my unit which is a Surge Guard. That difference is the warranty and that warranty is what makes the difference in my reference above. The Progressive Industries EMS unit has a lifetime warranty which apparently covers the unit if it is hit with a surge/spike. The unit can be repaired with a replacement circuit board which the company will provide. I cannot say if they will provide this without charge. With the Surge Guard unit if a spike happens the unit must be discarded and a new unit be obtained for use. This would make it seem that the Progressive Industries unit is the preferred unit to buy. Perhaps.

There are two other non-performance dissimilarities to consider if buying a portable unit. The Surge Guard has a power cable with plug coming from the top and a power cable with socket coming from the bottom. Both plug and socket have a pull handle that makes it easy to pull the unit both from the power box and off of your RV power cable. In this regard the Progressive Industries unit has a very short power cable on top with its plug and its power socket is in the middle of the unit. There is pull handle on the plug or the socket. With how hard it can sometimes be to pull RV power plugs and sockets apart those handles actually are a big benefit. The other thing to consider is that the Progressive unit has a small ring on its power cable to put a padlock through and then get that padlock somehow attached to the campground power box so that this $300 investment will not be stolen. Surge Guard has its own system which is a purchased option to prevent theft. It is a box that locks around the RV power plug and the EMS unit's socket preventing anyone from pulling the RV cord and unit apart and taking the EMS unit. I have that box and while it can be a pain in the a** to put together and lock, it does work.

These are the models to look for from each company -

Progressive Industries  - Model EMS-PT30C (This is the 30 amp portable.)
Surge Guard - Model 34830

When you plug in the EMS unit there will be a delay before it passes power through to your RV. The delay takes about two minutes and 15 seconds - and those can be the longest two minutes and 15 seconds to wait to see if all is well and you have power. The delay is there as a feature and more protection should the unit stop power because of a voltage variation and not just start back immediately which if an air conditioner had been on and is still turned on, the power restarting will not damage the air conditioner.

I will conclude with a recent experience we had at a campground recently. We were plugged in and in for the night. The Surge Guard was connected and working. We were inside watching television. All of the lights were on and the air conditioner was running. We had been in for about an hour and a half. Suddenly, the television went off, the air conditioner stopped and when I looked over to the microwave the display was dark. The lights were all on - and it took me a minute to realize that the AC power was out - the lights stay on because they are powered - even when plugged in - by the coach (RV) batteries. Why was the power out? My first thoughts were that there was something wrong with the Roadtrek. I went through what it could be inside and was not coming up with anything. I then decided to go outside and see if someone walked through our site and tripped over our power cable pulling it out of the box. We had no power about ten minutes when I got outside and saw that the Surge Guard had power coming into it but the connection light was flashing. One of two things had happened. There was a voltage variation and the Surge Guard shut off power to protect us or the campground lost power and the power had come back on and the Surge Guard had to go through its delay to put power back into our RV. Power came back and all worked again. Later, very early in the morning, power went out again - and then came back on. I went to the office that morning and told them and they were aware that the power had gone out all over the campground - and we were assured that it would be fixed. Did the EMS unit come into play in this incident? Maybe. Did it remind me that one must always plug in at a campground using an EMS unit? Absolutely!

Some feel that they don't want to pay what an EMS unit costs? Some say that they have never had a problem. I am reminded of what Dirty Harry said - "Feeling lucky?" I know RV owners who have had had the EMS unit do its job and saved them from expensive damage. I also know of RV owners who wish that they had one when they found out what the repair bill was to replace most of the electrical system in their RV after a voltage variation. You decide. Maybe you will be lucky. Maybe you will not.